Comments on: How to deal with contracting customers who won't pay http://www.cocoanetics.com/2010/02/how-to-deal-with-contracting-customers-who-wont-pay/ Our DNA is written in Objective-C Mon, 21 May 2012 04:12:24 +0100 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Pay me, dammit! - iPhone Dev SDK Forum http://www.cocoanetics.com/2010/02/how-to-deal-with-contracting-customers-who-wont-pay/#comment-2530 Pay me, dammit! - iPhone Dev SDK Forum Sat, 04 Jun 2011 08:03:19 +0000 http://www.drobnik.com/touch/?p=1991#comment-2530 [...] mileston, sourcecode after payment). However i want to post another link on the argument How to deal with contracting customers who won't pay | Cocoanetics __________________ ZeroTap - [...] [...] mileston, sourcecode after payment). However i want to post another link on the argument How to deal with contracting customers who won't pay | Cocoanetics __________________ ZeroTap – [...]

]]> By: kgjamison http://www.cocoanetics.com/2010/02/how-to-deal-with-contracting-customers-who-wont-pay/#comment-1529 kgjamison Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:29:23 +0000 http://www.drobnik.com/touch/?p=1991#comment-1529 Being in another line of work but with many of the same concerns, I make sure on new customers (ones I have had no relationship with or history)they sign an agreement and I get enough to cover the expenses. I make sure everything is spelled out on what belongs to who and what it will cost. It is a great way to learn what and who you are working with before you get too deep. Having worked with you, I know that you communicate very well on what is going to be done (and even more!), but unfortunately sometimes others are not so focused (polite enough?). Being in another line of work but with many of the same concerns, I make sure on new customers (ones I have had no relationship with or history)they sign an agreement and I get enough to cover the expenses. I make sure everything is spelled out on what belongs to who and what it will cost. It is a great way to learn what and who you are working with before you get too deep. Having worked with you, I know that you communicate very well on what is going to be done (and even more!), but unfortunately sometimes others are not so focused (polite enough?).

]]> By: google.com/profiles/ba… http://www.cocoanetics.com/2010/02/how-to-deal-with-contracting-customers-who-wont-pay/#comment-1528 google.com/profiles/ba… Tue, 09 Feb 2010 12:35:31 +0000 http://www.drobnik.com/touch/?p=1991#comment-1528 I don't agree with everyone saying 'just release 33% of the app'. That's putting all responsibility with the client. You as a contractor may have left a lot of unclarity, since you didn't have the regular procedures in place (up-front requirements document, standard contract, first payment etc). I'd say you learn here, take your hit and move on. By the way, I'd advise for iPhone projects to always get 100% paid BEFORE submitting to the AppStore. One in twenty app submissions gets denied by Apple. You do not want to carry that risk. Your client should carry it, since he's the entrepreneur. Of course, if the situation requires something different, then let it reflect in the contract. I don’t agree with everyone saying ‘just release 33% of the app’. That’s putting all responsibility with the client. You as a contractor may have left a lot of unclarity, since you didn’t have the regular procedures in place (up-front requirements document, standard contract, first payment etc). I’d say you learn here, take your hit and move on.

By the way, I’d advise for iPhone projects to always get 100% paid BEFORE submitting to the AppStore. One in twenty app submissions gets denied by Apple. You do not want to carry that risk. Your client should carry it, since he’s the entrepreneur. Of course, if the situation requires something different, then let it reflect in the contract.

]]> By: steffenj@gaminghorror.net http://www.cocoanetics.com/2010/02/how-to-deal-with-contracting-customers-who-wont-pay/#comment-1527 steffenj@gaminghorror.net Tue, 09 Feb 2010 12:17:21 +0000 http://www.drobnik.com/touch/?p=1991#comment-1527 I also would have said "deliver 33% of the app". :) As far as contracts go, many people don't know about what in german is called "konkludentes handeln" (implied action?), meaning that after some exchange - be it oral, by email or in writing - you come to some agreement and start to work there's a contract between you and the costumer in effect. It doesn't have to be written down although that makes it a lot easier to proove things in court. http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertrag#Formerfordernisse If you can not come to a mutual agreement the best thing is instead to keep your work, or even offer it for sale to others. That is not only your best line of defence and i guess it may sometimes be enough leverage to get your money. I also would have said “deliver 33% of the app”. :)

As far as contracts go, many people don’t know about what in german is called “konkludentes handeln” (implied action?), meaning that after some exchange – be it oral, by email or in writing – you come to some agreement and start to work there’s a contract between you and the costumer in effect. It doesn’t have to be written down although that makes it a lot easier to proove things in court.

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertrag#Formerfordernisse

If you can not come to a mutual agreement the best thing is instead to keep your work, or even offer it for sale to others. That is not only your best line of defence and i guess it may sometimes be enough leverage to get your money.

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